Suggestions to Professor Libbrecht
2006.10.18
Dear Professor Libbrecht,
Please pardon me to send you this letter suddenly and bother you.
My name is Eisuke Yoshioka (mr), graduated from Kyoto University for about 35 years ago, where I majored in Nuclear engineering.
Regarding your article on your web-site criticizing Mr. Masaru Emoto's work, I would like to send you more information which is available in Japan, and also I have several questions and may be suggestions to you. Though you don't recognize any scientific value in Mr. Emoto's work, I have a different opinion from a purely scientific view point.
Here I would mention the fact that I am not a member of Mr. Emoto's interested parties. I once saw him at his lecture meeting for about 3 years ago, but I have no other relation with him.
Minus ion water
I am naming my web-site "www.minusionwater.com". I guess that it may sound strange for you, but I have a rational definition of "minus ion water".
There are drifting positive and negative ions in the atmosphere, which are mesurable by an equipment so called ion counter, and which have been studied by geo-physisists, earthquake researchers and so on.
It is well known that ordinary water itself has characterisrtics to produce negative ions when it is atomized and sprayed into the atmosphere. Following data are the results of our experiment to count negative ions after atomizing and spraying water into the atmosphere.
Ordinary city water 22,000 ions per cc air
Our minus ion water 42,000 ions per cc air
As our water produces twice larger number of negative ions than ordinary city water, we call it "minus ion water". As for most of Japanese people, English word "minus" is much more familiar than English word "negative", so we have named our water "minus ion water".
Our minus ion water is made from city water itself, by making it pass through strong magnetic field (not only magnet but there is a patented small special device in it) as shown on the figure below. Four blocks in the left figure are magnets.(Sorry, in Japanese only)
Fig. Principle of minus ion water equipment
As our equipment doesn't touch the water, the composition of "minus ion water" remains as same as the original city water. So, we guess that the difference of the production of negative ions is not because of the changement of the composition, but because of the structural changement, which is mechanical or electrical or whatever, of the water itself.
Prof. Libbrecht's cirtics against Mr. Masaru Emoto's work
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/myths/myths.htm
The Hidden Messages in Water
What do you think of the work of Masaru Emoto?
My opinion, you ask? The short answer is that I think Mr. Emoto's work is nothing more than the usual New-Age nonsense -- popular gibberish.
If you haven't heard of Mr. Emoto, he has published several books claiming that ice crystals grow differently when water is first exposed to different thoughts and feelings. For example, he may start by playing assorted varieties of music -- jazz, classical, rock-and-roll, etc. -- to different containers of water. The "treated" water is then used to grow snow crystals under otherwise identical conditions. He claims that the different musical treatments yield different types of snow crystals, and shows us pictures to prove it. If you think it defies common sense that water does this, you are right. In fact water does not respond to thoughts and feelings; it's just water.How then does one explain Mr. Emoto's experiments? My best guess is that Mr. Emoto grows hundreds of crystals and then selects different shapes to demonstrate whatever point he wishes to make. For example, when the water was exposed to classical music he picks out some beautiful crystals to show us. For rock-and-roll, he selects some ugly crystals and shows us those. His conclusion -- classical music makes beautiful crystals while rock-and-roll makes ugly ones. What he does not show us is that both musical treatments actually made the same numbers of beautiful and ugly crystals. In scientific circles this is called picking your data to fit your hypothesis, and of course it is considered fraud when it appears.
Do I know Mr. Emoto does this? No, which is why I called it a guess. Mr. Emoto has never published his work in a reputable scientific forum, where it would be scrutinized. He only presents it in self-published books, where he is free to say whatever he wants. Basic physics says the work cannot be correct, and Mr. Emoto has not convinced the scientific community that his experiments have any merit whatsoever.
I know one thing for sure, however. If Mr. Emoto's work were correct, it would immediately be worthy of a Nobel Prize. (And I should point out that not only is a Nobel Prize a great honor, it includes a cash prize of several million dollars!) But the work is not correct, and to date it has not attracted even the slightest scientific attention. It's simply another example (there are so many out there!) of New-Age nonsense trying to disguise itself as science.
Additional information about Mr. Emoto's work
I would like to show you a recent article issued in Japan.
"Aera", one of the quality weekly magazines in Japan, issued an article about Mr. Emoto's work in December, last year as shown below. Ms. Ariyoshi, a press lady of Aera, was allowed by Mr. Emoto to attend his convention meeting and wrote the article which blamed him one-sidely, introducing comments of 4 scientists who had been ciriticizing his work since years ago.
Aera 2005.12.05
In the article, there was also an interview of Mr. Emoto as below. In it, he said clearly that his work was not a science but a kind of "poem" or "fantasy".
He is selecting crystals
Also, when I had once a chance to attend his lecture meeting held in Osaka for about 3 years ago, I remember that Mr. Emoto said without any hesitation that he was selecting the best favorite crystals among several crystals when he published a book.
For example, when he shows a picture of a crystal of a certain beautiful spring water, he selects a crystal which is well representing his idea about the spring among several crystals made from the spring water.
Why not?
I think it is a natural way for an ordinary person to do so.
Should one select ugly one? Or should one show all the pictures in the limited pages of one's book?
Similarly, when he creates a fantasy of a water crystal which "listened to" Mozart, of course he selects the best crystal for it among the crystals which appear in the water which "listened to" Mozart.
If we consider his work as a kind of science, it must be unfair to select crystals. But if it is just a fantasy as he said, it may be rather natural for the author to select crystals.
Your guess
You blame him as follows.
For example, when the water was exposed to classical music he picks out some beautiful crystals to show us. For rock-and-roll, he selects some ugly crystals and shows us those. His conclusion -- classical music makes beautiful crystals while rock-and-roll makes ugly ones.
Yes, you are right so far. You don't need to guess. Mr. Emoto admitted the fact by himself that he selected crystals.
But the next sentence is not necesarrily to be correct.
What he does not show us is that both musical treatments actually made the same numbers of beautiful and ugly crystals.
It is your guess.
I understand that you judged from your experience as an expert that there should be no difference in the way of forming crystals whether the water was exposed to classical music or rock music or whatever.
But if we consider those musics as the vibration of air, there might be any slight difference or tendency in the way of shaping crystals among waters which were exposed to different vibrations.
Probably, Mr. Emoto is feeling in his fantastic mind that there are differences in the numbers of beautiful crystals and ugly crystals depending on which music they are exposed to.
Though I don't have so much interest in the relation between the air vibration and the forming of crystals, at least we have to say that it is not sure whether the numbers of beautiful crystals and ugly crystals in Mr. Emoto's observation are the same or not, until he opens his data.
Is it fraud?
And finally you blame his activity as fraud.
In scientific circles this is called picking your data to fit your hypothesis, and of course it is considered fraud when it appears.
If Mr. Emoto selects crystals of the water which was exposed to a music other than Mozart and connects it to Mozart, then such a behavior must be blamed as fraud, I agree, even if he is making a fantasy.
But what he did is to select the best favorite crystal among the crystals of the waters which were once exposed to Mozart and connect it to Mozart and make his fantasy of Mozart. Actually, all the pictures in his books are selected by him in this manner. When he says that this is a crystal of California water, then it is really the crystal selected form crystals of California water, not of Arizona water nor Colorado water nor anything esle. There seems to be no reason for Mr. Emoto to cheat people in this point, because there are anyway many crystals.
I understand that Mr. Emoto doesn't think it a fake at all. He takes a Mozart crystal among Mozart crystals and creates a fantasy of Mozart. His story is completed in his brain without any conflict for him. It is just his way of thinking.
Then, should we blame him as a fraud?
It is a kind of religion
Then Mr. Emoto steps a further step.
He says that water reacts to human being's consciousness and/or words, even reacts to written letters.
In this case also he is selecting crystals along with his own feeling or sense. So, it is impossible for any scientist to trace or prove whether his report is true or not. There is no objectivity nor repeatability from the first.
I think it is "out of science". Then it must be out of the scope of scientific criticism.
It may be a kind of religion.
If you blame his thought as a new-age-nonsense, we may remember another famous story that a dead man revived three days later.
Do people believe the revival story as a scientific truth? No, they don't.
Then , do people blame it as an old age nonsense? No they don't.
People understand scientifically that a dead man would never revive, because it is out of the definition of death.
But they believe the story. It is out of science. It is a religion. People believe what they want to believe, even if it is scientifically wrong. It's a human society, isn't it?
Then, do people beleive Mr. Emoto's work as a science? Or do people expect that modern scientists may happen to admit or approve the phenomenon that water recognizes human being's words or thoughts?
Never.
Sound and common sensed people don't believe Mr. Emoto's work in the sense of science. People know that science may explain half of the world, but not the other half. There must be another world which modern science cannot explain. People accept Mr. Emoto's story just as a fantasy of another world, or I may say as a "religion".
In Japan, there are a few scientists who are blaming Mr. Emoto's thought itself. They think that many Japanese people have already believed Mr. Emoto's work as a science. And they think that many other people will come to fall into the trap if they don't give any warnings to the society.
But it is only their misunderstanding. The real situation is not so. Not so many people believe Mr. Emoto's work as a science.
In Japan, several hundreds of elementary school teachers are trying to teach the kids the importance of the mind to thank others, showing Mr. Emoto's fantasy. They say, " Even life-less water reacts to your good mind, why not your family, your friends and your neighbors?" First half of the lesson may be only a fantasy, but the last half of the lesson is the truth. If you thank people, then the people will thank you. If you hate people, then the people will hate you. This is the truth of the human society which kids should learn at a certain stage. So the lesson is not useless. But the class is "moral", not "science" of course.
Mr. Emoto doesn't force nor lead the teachers to do so. Teachers have read Mr. Emoto's book by themselves and have taken his idea to their educational contents. Then, though those Japanese scientists can argue the matter with those school teachers, they are not allowed to promote a social movement or an internet chorus to force Mr. Emoto to give his fantasy up. Japanese constitution doesn't allow such a crude behavior.
By the way, being contrary to the hope of teachers, kids are only halfly listen to teachers' voices, but halfly want to escape from such a boring class and play baseball. It is difficult to bring up religious kids in the modernized countries, isn't it?
Scientific possibilities
Then, isn't there any room in Mr. Emoto's work to be reconsidered scientifically?
I think there is one point which should be studied further scientifically, which is that Mr. Emoto reported that the probability of the appearance of crystals is different by samples and there is seen some tendency depending on samples.
He divides a sample water into 50 containers and freezes them. In the case of city water of big city like Tokyo, it is hard to see any crystals in the 50 containers, but in a certain famous spring water, for example, there comes out a crystal in 5 or 6 containers, which is around 10%. Then Mr. Emoto evaluates that it is good, powerful water.
But our result was much more remarkable.
We brought our "minus ion water" which is made from Tokyo city water to Mr. Emoto's reseach facility.
It was also divided into 50 containers in the usual way, and as a result they reported to us that they found each one beautiful crystal in 47 containers, which is 94% probability.
our result is 47/50 = 94%
Fig. Water crystal of our minus ion water
As I mentioned before, our "minus ion water" could produce much more negative ions in the atmosphere than ordinary city water. As there is no difference in the composition of the waters, we guess that it can be a result of a slight electrical or mechanical unknown changement of the structure of water itself.
Here we find the difference of the probability of the appearance of crystals depending on water samples. It may also indicate the unknown slight changement of the structure of water itself.
Mr. Emoto's method of observing crystals
Mr. Emoto's way of observing crystals is, at first to drop about 1 cc water in a container and keep it in the freezing room at the temperature of minus 25 degrees centigrade for 2 or 3 hours. Then the water freezes and makes a shape like a kiss-me chocolate.
Then they take it out to the other room of around minus 5 degrees centigrade temperature and observe the ice with the microscope under a bright light. The expansion ratio of the microscope is 200, they say.
Then at the timing when the ice starts to melt, there comes out a crystal at the top of the kiss-me chocolate shape. The dimension of the completed crystals is around 0.2 mm diameter, they say.
They observe only the top of the kiss-me cholate shape. They don't see any other part. They say that the branches of the crystal grow horizontally and at the same time the thickness of the crystal grows vertically upwards.
How the crystal is formed?
I guess that the ice starts to melt by the heat of the light, and vaporization starts at the surface of the ice.
Then there are generated vapor flows along with the surface of the ice towards the top of the kiss-me chocolate shape as shown on the drawing left.
When the vapor flows go away from the top of the ice, there may happen an effect of a kind of "heat-less expansion" and the temperature of the top of the ice or the vapor around the top becomes lower again. The temperature will be low enough to freeze the water around the top again or crystalize the water or vapor around the top.
It is only my guess.
But if it is right, the amount of vapor, the speed of the flow, shape and incline of kiss-me chocolate and so on should be critical for Mr. Emoto's crystalizing method.
Then the temperature of freezing water, namely minus 25 degrees centigrade, which Mr. Emoto has chosen, might happen to be appropriate to get an ideal kiss-me chocolate shape. Or if the quantity of the heat supplied from the lighting is critical, then the lighting equipment which Mr. Emoto bought at an electric appliance shop happened to be a good one.
Mr. Emoto's observation is being blamed severely by Japanese scientists because the conditions of the observation are not accurate, not stable and not professional. After all they deny and exclude "all" of Mr. Emoto's work without too much careful considerations.
But I think the probability of the appearance of the crystals in Mr. Emoto's observation should be treated more carefully. As a matter of fact, Mr. Emoto says that the probability of the appearance of the crystals is different by samples. For example, he suggests the tendency that underground water has much higher probability of forming crystals than surface water.
I think the beautifulness or the perfectness of the crystal which Mr. Emoto mentions eagerly and repeatedly is related to the probability of its appearance. Because, if the probability is high, then there seems to be much chance for the crystals to make their shape beautiful or perfect. As beautifulness and/or perfectness are to be evaluated by human sense, it is difficult to treat them in the sense of science. But on the other hand, the probability of the appearance of the crystals can be an objective, repeatable and scientific index which may suggest a possibility of the changement of the structure of water itself.
Both the number of negative ions and the probability of crystalization can be scientific indicators to indicate the changement of the water strucutre at the level of molecule.
Another experiment
There is another experimental result. We made two circulation systems as shown below.
Left figure is the diagram of it.
They are very simple. The water circulates from the tank to the pump, then to the steel pipe (material is ss, which is rather easy to rust) of 10m long (the spiral line) and comes back to the tank.
These two sysytems are made exactly similar. Only one difference between two sysytems is that the left sysytem has our "minus ion water equipment" in the line(red one). In the picture, you can see it on the top of the tank, the bright silver one. The equipment doesn't touch the water inside the pipe directly.
We filled the same city water in the two tanks and started to operate the pumps at the same time. After 72 hours operation, we took water samples out of the tanks.
Left side is the water from the left sysytem.There is no rust.
Right side is the water from the right system.There is much rust.
The experiment was done in a small private laboratory which was supplying hand-made academic-use measureing equipment of very small magnetization, where Prof. Joseph Kirshvink had been visiting sometimes.
What do you think the result suggests?
We believe that there must be any changement in the structure of the water itself.
The taste of wine changes
There is another interesting performance. Our minus ion water can change the taste of wine in the bottle. We show this performance every month to the people here. Almost all of the people can feel the change of the taste, even in the blind condition.
Several months ago, we had a chance to show the performance to the professors of Kobe national university. We visited the university and there came 4 professors to the guest room. One is a doctor of agriculture, one is a doctor of physics, one is a doctor of mechanics and the other is a doctor of medicine. It had to be one of the best intelligent parties in Japan, we thought then.
We had bought 2 bottles of mineral water and 2 bottles of cheap red wine which had a bit stimulus taste, and brought them there. (It is important to choose cheap wine to find the difference of the taste clearly). We filled up 2 buckets with the mineral water, in front of the audience. One bucket was filled with ordinary mineral water. The other was filled with the mineral water passed through our equipment. We used a funnel to make it sure that our equipment didn't touch the water. As it was easy for us to use bottled water in such a guest room which had no water facilities, we used mineral water. And it was more doubtless for the audience to see the sealed bottles opened in front of them.
Then we put the bottles of wine, which were just bought at a shop into the buckets. The seal was not opened, of course.There was no direct contact between the wine and the water.
Then we started to explain about our equipment and had discussion with the audience for about 1 hour.
Then we opened the bottles and enjoyed wine party . All the doctors could feel the difference of the taste even in the blind condition.
Though the water didn't touch the wine at all, the taste of the wine in "minus ion water" became mild.
This miraculous performance is repeatable. It happens anytime, anywhere and almost all people can feel the difference. It may be a miracle, but not a magic nor a deception. There must be scientific reason behind it, I believe.
We have experienced hundreds of other good results in the application field of agriculture, food industries, restaurants, fish business, animals, health of people and so on which must indicate not the changement of the composition but athe changement of the structure of water itself.
Also, we have data which show that the vaporization of our minus ion water is faster than ordinary water, which may explain the high probability of forming crystals at the top of the kiss-me chocolate.
We are now proceeding further research in several ways.
We are trying to see inside the water itself directly.
Further research is required
You say that your equipment for observing crystals is just like a simple vapor chamber. Then your crystals are definitely made from the vapor.
On the other hand, Mr. Emoto's crystals are made from liquid water and are seemed to be made in the water.
Also, I understand that you are observing the crystals in various conditions, such as temperature, humidity, voltage and so on, which are not the conditions of water itself. You may not expect or investigate any difference by the difference of water samples.
But Mr. Emoto is observing the difference of crystals depending on the difference of water samples, keeping the other conditions as same as he can. He takes samples from all over the world, which are surface water, spring water, city water and so on. He even shakes the samples with different vibrations and gives them different histerisis.
I think these two experiments are observing different phenomena.
Even though Mr. Emoto is not the expert of science, even though what he says is strange for all the scientists, I believe that there should be a room for proceeding his study further in scientific manner, hopefully by expert scientists of water crystals.
Of course those scientsits should be kept away from Mr. Emoto's fantasy.
October 18th, 2006
Yours sincerely,
Eisuke Yoshioka
Reprsentative Yoshioka Office